Citation: Ramsey v. Pacific Press et al

Date:

20001204

2000 BCSC 1551

Docket:

C976732

Registry: Vancouver

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF BRITISH COLUMBIA

BETWEEN:

PAUL RAMSEY

PLAINTIFF

AND:

 

PACIFIC PRESS, A DIVISION OF SOUTHAM INC.,
DONALD HAUKA, MICHAEL SMITH, BEN MEISNER AND
RADIO STATION CKPG LTD.

 

DEFENDANTS

 

REASONS FOR JUDGMENT
OF THE
HONOURABLE MR. JUSTICE TAYLOR

 

Counsel for the plaintiff:

Leo McGrady, Q.C.
G. James Baugh

Counsel for the defendants
Ben Meisner and Radio Station CKPG Ltd.:

Daniel W. Burnett

Dates and Place of Trial:

April 17-20, 2000
July 10-11, 2000

Vancouver, B.C.

[1] This is a defamation action. Claims against Pacific Press, Donald Hauka (a reporter), and Michael Smith (a columnist), both employees of Pacific Press which publishes The Province newspaper, have been settled. Reference to those parties in these Reasons is necessary to provide a factual matrix in which the alleged defamation and purported apology of the defendant Ben Meisner of radio station CKPG Ltd. must be considered.

[2] In late 1997 pursuant to the provisions of the Recall and Initiative Act, R.S.B.C. 1996, c. 398, a petition was filed with the Electoral Commission seeking the recall of the plaintiff, Paul Ramsey (Ramsey). At that time he was the member of the Legislative Assembly for Prince George North. Ramsey has been a resident of the Prince George area since 1975. Until October of 1991 he was an English instructor at a local college. That year he was persuaded to run for politics. He was elected to the legislature and has served more recently in various cabinet posts. He is currently on an unpaid leave of absence from his college. Ramsey and his family have an established relationship within the community of Prince George.

[3] The riding in which Ramsey was elected is known as a swing riding in that Ramsey's majority in the 1991 and 1996 elections were 800 and 900 votes respectively out of a total electorate of some 22,000 voters.

[4] The defendant Ben Meisner (Meisner) is a Prince George businessman who in exchange for free advertising conducts an open-line radio talk show on the defendant's radio station CKPG Ltd. (CKPG). He has done this since 1974. In 1997 that show occurred after 9:05 a.m. of each weekday for approximately one hour.

[5] Over the years Meisner has voiced his disagreements with Ramsey and the Government of which Ramsey has been a Minister on a plethora of issues. With the rare exception of a Government policy over the flooding of a lake, these two have been at political odds. Meisner, through the medium of his broadcast, has been a spur under Ramsey's political saddle. Ramsey, while lacking the Meisner broadcast forum, has declined opportunities to appear on Meisner's talk show.

[6] In 1997 Meisner's broadcast audience, according to Board of Broadcast Measurements, reached an audience of approximately 4,000 listeners. An undefined proportion of these listeners would be within Ramsey's electoral constituency.

[7] Meisner's broadcast consisted of a pre-recorded opening editorial followed by telephone calls from listeners to which he would respond. Occasionally in the second portion of the show a guest would attend.

[8] Interspersed throughout the program the radio station would broadcast advertisements. Meisner would not be aware nor have any say in which advertisements would be broadcast or when.

[9] The recall campaign in Ramsey's constituency generated a high level of public interest. Although the legislation provides a mechanism to recall individual members of the legislative assembly, the community of Prince George and in particular Ramsey's electoral constituency was divided on whether the recall campaign was, in essence, directed towards a recall of Ramsey based upon his performance as an MLA or a method by which those dissatisfied with the government of the day could "send a message" to that government.

[10] There was national and provincial wide interest in this recall campaign as well as in recall campaigns occurring in two other constituencies in the province. These were the first such recall petitions to have been filed. The Province of British Columbia was unique in having such legislation.

[11] It is no understatement to say that tensions ran high within the constituency as the debate raged as to the purpose of the legislation, quite apart from discussions of the merits of Ramsey's performance as an MLA.

[12] Despite the clear wording of the legislation, the debate even included discussions regarding who should be permitted to sign the petition for recall. Some of those in the constituency espoused a view that only those who had voted in the previous election should be permitted to participate while others held views consistent with the legislation itself, which permitted all registered voters to participate. In the course of the recall campaign and in opposition to it, Ramsey and his assistants conducted door to door canvasses. In doing so they became aware of the division about the approach to recall that existed within the constituency.

[13] As testified to by Ramsey and Ms. Woodworth, Ramsey's constituency assistant during the course of canvassing, a constituent informed Ramsey of his views in words similar to those found in Exhibit 1, Tab 3.

[14] It is against this backdrop that Mr. Donald Hauka (Hauka), a reporter with the Vancouver Province newspaper, came to Prince George to interview Ramsey on December 12, 1997.

[15] That interview lasted some 30 to 40 minutes and was recorded. Discussed during the interview was the application of the theory of recall to what was in fact being practised in the Prince George recall campaign. At one point Hauka and Ramsey had the following exchange as recorded on Exhibit 14:

HAUKA: Mm Hmm, in fact, uh, it looks like when you break down the demographics of it they're angry old men, I mean the majority of them are men and the majority of them are just plain angry about something. So how do you fight that?

RAMSEY: Um, I don't think, I don't think that this is possible to overcome that portion. The only thing that I found - you talk about flaws in the legislation - on the doorstep when I actually get talking about positions, there's one element that jumps out that people think is unfair and that is the element that allows somebody who didn't vote in the last election to sign the petition, and I've got people that are, that are actually livid about it and they said Damn it I went out and voted. I took the time. I was interested, um, and whether I sign or not I think I have a right to do it now. But these guys didn't even have the energy to get out of their, uh, out of their La-Z-Boy, and get to the polls and now they're just going to sit back, uh, uh pop another beer and uh, you know, order another pizza, and decide, uh, whether to recall or not. This is not quote democracy unquote. So I find that, and this is an anger on that side - and then they ask me So why do you support this legislation? [Ramsey laughter] and I say, well, we didn't contemplate this.

I shall refer to this quotation as the La-Z-Boy quote.

[16] Armed with a tape recording of this interview, Hauka then prepared a story which was published on the front page of the The Province newspaper's Sunday, December 14 edition in which he attributed the following comments to Ramsey:

PAUL RAMSEY ON PRINCE GEORGE N.VOTERS:

"These guys didn't even have enough energy to get out of their La-Z-Boys and get to the polls. And now they're just going to sit back, pop another beer, and order another pizza and decide whether to recall or not. This is quote 'democracy', unquote."

[17] Hauka should have listened more carefully to his tape recordings, from which it is clear that Ramsey was not expressing his own opinions on the proclivities of the Prince George voters but rather was referring to a comment he had heard from a constituent during the course of the recall campaign.

[18] That La-Z-Boy quotation was repeated in the same edition of The Province by the columnist Michael Smith (Smith) who, it would seem, either did not listen carefully enough to the tape or relied upon the reportage of Hauka. Smith, in writing his "spin-o-meter" column at page A6 of the Sunday edition, produced the following:

SMITH'S SUNDAY SPIN-O-METER

These guys didn't even have enough energy to get out of their La-Z-Boys and get to the polls. And now they're just going to sit back, pop another beer, and order another pizza and decide whether to recall or not. This is quote 'democracy' unquote.

-Paul Ramsey on people who didn't vote in the 1996 election now trying to recall him.

WHAT IT REALLY MEANS

This is an arrogant, thoughtless remark from a politician who should know better. For a guy facing a recall petition, characterizating your constituents as beer-swilling couch potatoes is really, really dumb.

DID THE SPIN WORK?

Ramsey's comment won't ingratiate him with the undecided voters in his riding. Bad move, Paul.

[19] The Sunday edition of the Province newspaper was delivered to Prince George in the early afternoon. Meisner purchased a copy of it. Ramsey also learned of its contents in the early afternoon.

[20] Ramsey was immediately concerned as to the effect of the attribution of the La-Z-Boy quote to himself in terms of the effects on the recall campaign and the long term effect upon him as an M.L.A. and resident of the Prince George area.

[21] He contacted the city desk editor of The Province newspaper and expressed his annoyance at the article.

[22] As a consequence of this and other discussions with The Province staff including Smith on Monday, December 15th the paper published a form of correction:

RAMSEY'S REMARKS IN FULL CONTEXT

A quote attributed to Education Minister Paul Ramsey in yesterday's Province was not in context.

Ramsey is fighting to keep his seat in Prince George North in the face of the current recall campaign.

Here is an unedited transcript of a conversation with Ramsey taped by a Province reporter:

"The one thing that I found - you talked about flaws in the legislation. On the doorstep, when I actually get talking about it, there's one element that jumps out that people think is unfair and that is the element that allows somebody who didn't vote in the last election to sign the petition. And I've got people who are actually livid about it. And they say, 'Damn it, I went out and voted, I took the time, I was interested and whether I sign or not I think I have a right to do it now. But these guys didn't even have the energy to get out of the La-Z-Boy and get to the poll and now they're just going to sit back, pop another beer and, you know, order another pizza and decide whether to recall or not. This is not quote democracy unquote. So I find that there's some anger on that side, and then they ask me, 'So why did you support this legislation?' And I have to say, 'Well, we never contemplated this.'"

Last night, Ramsey said he had "full confidence" the people in his riding "will not sign the the [sic] petition in sufficient numbers to trigger a recall."

[23] The Monday edition of The Province newspaper does not usually reach stands or subscribers in Prince George before noon. However, at 9:01 a.m. a government news clipping service faxed to Ramsey's office in Prince George a copy of the correction in a slightly different form than that published in the Vancouver area edition of the paper.

[24] In the meantime, Meisner decided to write an editorial on the subject. At trial, he testified that "he didn't know anything about the accuracy" of the article published in the Sunday edition, but felt that because the reference to the Prince George voters was in quotation marks that it could be "taken more seriously".

[25] Meisner was preparing to leave on a trip. His broadcast on Monday, December 15th was to be his last for some time.

[26] Meisner says that he tried to place a call to Ramsey's home or office. He does not recall which. Meisner's evidence does little to lend any support to his assertion of efforts to contact Ramsey. On April 20th he testified as follows:

I may have called his office; I may have called his home and my recollection of that is not good... I was very busy and I thought that was what I would have tried. I would have given that a quick shot and said 'there'.

Well I tried to get in touch with him if I didn't make it I didn't make it.

Ramsey's telephone number at home is listed in the Prince George directory. I accept that Ramsey was at his home from 1:30 p.m. until he went to bed that evening. He received no call from the defendant nor was there any message recorded on his answering machine either at home or at his office. Meisner cannot recall the time he says he called and said further that he could not say that he heard an answering machine or, if he did, whether he said anything on it.

[27] I conclude from the equivocal evidence from the defendant and the positive recollection of Ramsey that there was no call from Meisner.

[28] On Sunday, Ramsey contacted the local paper and was assured the misattributed quotation would not be published. He did not contact the defendant.

[29] Hauka testified that although he could have been contacted by calling The Province's city desk or his own direct line he received no calls or messages from Meisner either on the 14th or 15th of December. Hauka testified he did not work on the 14th but returned to work by noon of Monday, December 15th.

[30] Meisner proceeded to write his editorial and shortly after 9:00 a.m. on the 15th of December, 1997, broadcast the following:

Good Morning, I'm Meisner.

This morning we're going to do a bit of rolling around here this morning. I'm going to take some calls from you as we're hoping to re-hook up later in the program with Ray Williston, former cabinet minister to get some information, amongst other things about the questions about recall. He's written a book about the process of the pulpmills being established and all this dam water. No, I'm not swearing. I'm saying he was responsible for a good many including Williston Lake. Ray Williston, hopefully later on in the show after today's editorial.

For those people who signed the Recall Ramsey petition, and for those that haven't, I do hope they will take this quote from Paul Ramsey and hang it on their fridge. It is a quote from Paul Ramsey in The Province talking about Prince George North voters. "These guys didn't have enough energy to get out of their lazy boys and get to the polls and now they're just going to sit back, pop another beer and order another pizza and decide whether to recall or not. This is "democracy"." That truly says it all in how Paul Ramsey feels about the voters of this constituency. That quote makes me feel like I am a slob who knows nothing about politics and resides in Mr. Ramsey's riding. Fortunately, I do know this. It is because of this arrogance and the obvious distaste for the voters that recall is under way and doing fine. You, Mr. Ramsey with your comments, have done more for recall than any amount of advertising or door knocking could ever undo. You Mr. Ramsey, talk about the $300,000 that will be required to hold an election in the seat you are about to lose. Consider this. Had you told the truth about the financial state of this province rather than your lies in the last provincial election dealing with that deficit there now would be no need to spend that money in a bi-election. You now talk about making changes to the recall act. "I think we're going to have to look at this legislation after the dust settles and this attempt fails, to see whether the intent of the legislation, which I voted for has been misused. I don't think anyone thought you could recall somebody because they didn't like the weather." Consider this, Mr. Ramsey. Have you told the people why your government lied about the deficit? Have you told the people about why your government spent $42 million on jail to house 165 people? Have you told the people why you introduced slot machines in the city in spite of telling us by the city council that they didn't want them? Have you told the people why you said you'd spent $26 million on a new wing at the hospital only to cancel the project right after the election. Finally, my favourite, have you told the people why, after cancelling the Kemano Project you gave 90% of the river up in a new deal along with a promise of 2,000 jobs that you knew bloody well wasn't ever going to happen? Nope, the storm that's blowing up around your feet, Mr. Ramsey is not the weather. It is the anger of the people with all politicians - not you, Mr. Ramsey. All politicians. You simply are one of the more arrogant of the bunch.

I'm Meisner. Back in a moment.

[31] The editorial was heard by Ramsey and others at his campaign office. An assistant, Mrs. Kidd, contacted the radio station about The Province's correction. Mrs. Kidd called the station's news director, Mike Woodworth, saying "You guys got some facts wrong", only to be told that the station had an emergency on the open-line show and that Mr. Woodworth could not talk. Mrs. Kidd continued to listen to the Meisner broadcast and when it was apparent to her that Meisner was not changing the tenor of his comments about Ramsey and the misattributed quotation she called again and referred to the correction published by The Province that morning. She then faxed to Mr. Woodworth a copy of The Province's correction.

[32] At some point during the program Meisner was given a copy of the fax sent by Mrs. Kidd and then made the following comment:

(commercial break)

B: Okay just before I go to pick up the next phones here this morning. May I get this Ramsay's [sic] remarks in full context in The Province, in today's Province. this is the exact quote that I referred to in my editorial and this exact statement that was made by Paul Ramsay [sic]. May I read it to you so that there can be confusion created into what is said.

"A quote attributed to Education Minister Paul Ramsay [sic] in yesterday's Province. It was [sic] not in context. Ramsay [sic] is fighting to keep his seat in Prince George North in the face of the current recall campaign. Here is the unedited transcript of a conversation with Ramsay [sic] taped by The Province reporter. "The one thing that I found you talked about flaws in the legislation, on the door step, where I actually get talking about it, there is one element that jumps out, that people think it is unfair, and that is the element that allows somebody who didn't vote in the last election to sign the petition and I've got people who are actually livid about it and they say, damn it, I went out and voted, I took the time, I was interested in whether I sign or not. I think I have the right to do it now but these guys didn't even have the energy to get out of the lazy boy and get to the poll and now they're just going to sit back, pop another beer and, you know, order another pizza and decide whether to recall or not. This is not "democratic" so I find that there is some anger on that side and then you ask me so why did you support the legislation and I have to say well, we never contemplated this." last night Ramsay [sic] said he had full confidence the people in his riding will not sign the petition in sufficient numbers to trigger the recall." I hope that explains it.

[33] By then there had been the equivalent of four pages of transcript broadcast and in response to the next caller the following occurred:

B: Go ahead line one.

C: Hi. This quote in The Province paper. I actually had some relatives call me up and they were pissed off when they read it and they phoned me up to get my opinion of it. I can't believe what a pompous remark, uh what he said. It's just unbelievable.

B: Well, but now wait a minute. He says now there's a contradiction comes out and the actual quote says that he is saying that that quote was made by somebody who he went to the doorstep for so you have to keep it in proper text. I think that The Province had it out of text. I means it is not properly quoted and if you quote it exactly the way it is said, he is suggesting that somebody said that to him while he was standing at the door. Now whether he buys into that notion or not is another matter. If repeated it, did he agree with. I don't know.

C: Why would he repeat it.

B: Yup.

C: He's not very smart as a politician to come out and say that.

B: But sir, I appreciate your comments and your remarks this morning.

C: Okay

[34] The remainder of the broadcast included telephone calls dealing with matters unrelated to the La-Z-Boy quote, as well as comments on the part of Meisner criticizing Ramsey as a politician and the government's performance in general. The show ended at 10:00 a.m.

[35] Meisner also posted his editorial on a web-site associated with CKPG. As he did for every editorial, he prepared a disk containing the editorial and gave it to the receptionist/typist at the radio station, who posted it on the web-site under "Ben Meisner's Comment." The editorial of December 15, 1997 was posted to the web-site at 10:30 a.m., half an hour after the radio show ended. The editorial posted is identical to what was broadcast. The posted editorial was withdrawn from the web-site at 4:30 p.m. December 15th.

[36] Meisner, following completion of his Monday, December 15th show, did not leave on his trip but rather met with Woodworth. They agreed there would be an apology made to Ramsey.

[37] By late afternoon on December 15th Ramsey had instructed his counsel, Mr. McGrady.

[38] At 4:49 p.m., December 15th, Mr. McGrady wrote and sent by fax the following letter to Mr. Burnett:

December 15, 1997

VIA FACSIMILE 1-604-688-2827

OWEN, BIRD
Barristers and Solicitors
29th Floor, Three Bentall Centre
595 Burrard Street
Vancouver, British Columbia
V7X 1J5

ATTENTION: DAN BURNETT

Dear Sir:

RE: PAUL RAMSEY v. RADIO STATION CKPG LTD., and BEN MEISNER

I am writing to you further to our telephone conversation of today's date. We act for Mr. Paul Ramsey in the above-mentioned matter. We have received instructions from him to issue a Writ of Summons and Statement of Claim as soon as possible in the Supreme Court of British Columbia for statements made by Mr. Meisner in his radio broadcast on Monday, December 15, 1997, with respect to our client. The statement in question attributes to Mr. Ramsey the following:

"These guys didn't even have enough energy to get out of their La-Z-Boys and get to the polls. And now they're just going to sit back, pop another beer, and order another pizza and decide whether to recall or not. This is quote 'democracy', unquote."

We request that you take steps to ensure that neither the radio station nor Mr. Meisner republish any of these statements. We would also ask you to preserve the tape of the talk show in question, and to provide us with a copy as soon as possible. I also confirm that I will discuss with Mr. Ramsey this evening your suggestion as to a possible apology as a way of dealing with this matter. I am doubtful there will be any agreement but I do agree to raise it with him.

Yours truly,

"Leo McGrady"

[39] As well, Ramsey issued a press release announcing that he had launched legal action against both The Province and the radio station and various individuals.

[40] On the morning of December 16th, Meisner published the following by both broadcasting it and posting it on the station's web-site:

Yesterday in my editorial I referred listeners to a front page story in the Vancouver Province in which that paper quoted Paul Ramsey, MLA for Prince George North as saying about Prince George North voters, "These guys didn't have enough energy to get out of their La-Z-Boys and get to the polls, and now they're just going to sit back pop another beer and order another pizza and decide whether to recall or not."

I quote word for word what the Vancouver Province had written. I took their comments as being not only accurate, but given the fact they were in prefaces, I took that to mean it was an exact quote of what was said. I credited the paper with the quote. I now find that The Province newspaper was grossly incorrect. If I as an editorialist, take a libel and broadcast it as the truth, quite apart from the fact that it was The Province who made the comment, I am libel [sic] for the broadcast which I make. In this case, the statement by the Vancouver Province was not correct, and I did in fact broadcast their story.

Yesterday, upon the completion of my editorial, I was handed a fax which appeared to be from The Province newspaper. I read the entire article, not knowing whether in fact, it was fact or fiction. It was an unedited transcript of apparently what was said. Here is that transcript:

"The one thing that I found, you talked about flaws in the legislation. On the doorstep, when I actually get talking about it, there's one element that jumps out the people think is unfair and that is the element that allows somebody who didn't vote in the last election to the sign the petition. And I've got people who are actually livid about it. And they say, 'Damn it, I went out and voted, I took the time, I was interested and whether I sign or not I think I have the right to do it now. But these guys didn't even have the energy to get out of their La-Z-Boy and get to the poll and now they're just going to sit back, pop another beer and you know, order another pizza and decide whether to recall or not. This is not quote 'Democracy' unquote.' So I find that there's some anger on that side, and then they ask me, 'So why did you support this legislation?' And I have to say, 'Well, we never contemplated this.'"

To this point I can only assume that this is in fact what actually was said by Mr. Ramsey actually said. I have not received at any time from either he or his office a transcript informing me that the comments I had made were grossly incorrect. I have been forced to rely upon the comments being made by The Province newspaper, and other media in this province. Neither this radio station, CKPG, or the general manager, or myself were contacted to set the record straight. I might add, the moment we knew for a fact what had taken place, we set about not only to apologize, but also set the record straight. Here again I am relying on media for an account of what was said. And that is exactly how I erred in the first instance by accepting a media story as the truth.

[41] On December 16th, Meisner gave an interview to the Prince George C.B.C. radio station in which he said the following:

CBC Interview with Ben Meisner - December 16, 1997

Interviewer: Good morning.

Mr. Meisner: Good morning.

Interviewer: Okay, well first of all, what was your reaction to The Province article on Sunday?

Mr. Meisner: Well my reaction was when I took, it there I took it in text, and I should say - if I could say this, I took the headlines of The Province newspaper to be fact. In fact they were anything but accurate. I would without question apologize to Mr. Ramsey for carrying the item. I would never want to align myself with this type of journalism. Having said that I raise the question whether dropping the writ and the associated news coverage was more important than correcting a grave error that had occurred rather than contacting the station to set the record straight, which I might add we did just the moment we knew it happened. Mr. Ramsey had called a news conference to announce he was dropping a writ to this moment, and I should say this, I haven't heard from either Mr. Ramsey or any of his advisors as to what I said was incorrect. I've been forced to rely upon the media to get that information, and that's what got to me to this position in the first instance. I now though believe without doubt because having talked to the people in The Province that indeed that was grossly inaccurate, the item, and it was yellow journalism at best. My error was in taking The Province newspaper in prefaces as "accurate" and I shouldn't have.

Interviewer: So what will you do now?

Mr. Meisner: Nothing. I'm going to apologize this morning on the air in my editorial at exactly the same time as I ran it yesterday to Mr. Ramsey and point out that while if The Province in fact was the person who carried the item and I referred and quoted The Province as being the people that did the item, in fact when you carry the item on another station you commit the libel by transmitting that libel again, so that puts me in that position, and I have no problem with addressing myself to that or apologizing for carrying an item that was grossly misleading. I took The Province at face value and I shouldn't have.

Interviewer: Will you change the source of your material for editorials in future?

Mr. Meisner: Oh, I think there's no question about that, and I think that The Province has, you know, given out some material in the past and I would say that what it confirms - I guess I've always had in the back of my mind that I shouldn't rely heavily upon The Province for anything that you'd get from them because it's - I don't know - that's the very sort of low end kind of newspaper. I took it because it was in prefaces as an exact quote, and I assumed that they wouldn't dress that up.

Interviewer: What was your impression of what Ramsey appeared to be saying or what The Province said Ramsey was saying?

Mr. Meisner: Well if in fact Paul Ramsey had said that, that was a castigation against the constituents in Prince George North Riding. In fact it isn't correct. It was taken completely out of text and it is what he said a person said to him when he knocked on the door, and there's two different, quite different matters. I mean in fairness to Paul Ramsey they're very very different.

Interviewer: I guess I was just wondering whether you considered it something that was typical or was worthy of the editorial and that's why you ran the editorial.

Mr. Meisner: Oh, there's no question about that. I thought it was worthy of an editorial. If in fact what The Province said was fact, it was worthy of an editorial but I mean I say the truth of the matter was it was completely inaccurate what they had said.

Interviewer: Ben, what does this say about the recall campaign?

Mr. Meisner: I don't think it says anything. You know it may say something but it says it's a very heated emotional thing. I see that you know it's been on both sides and I didn't want to get into it in this extent in terms of sort of trying to keep the playing field level. That was my intent and I think it will continue to be my intent. I think the recall has become a very emotional thing. Certainly much more - it's been fought more harder than an election because people are calling on each door soliciting the vote so it's an ongoing process. It's not a 1-day event. It's taking place over 60 days, the campaign, so to speak, and I think it's really generated an incredible amount of emotion throughout the community. You just have to see that by the stuff to the newspapers, etc.

Interviewer: Ben Meisner, thank you.

Mr. Meisner: Thank you.

[42] The Writ was issued on December 17th and was served on December 23rd.

[43] On the morning of December 19th the general manager of the defendant radio station who took Meisner's place in his absence published the following by broadcasting it and having it posted to the station's web-site:

Editorial Comment by Gord Leighton, General Manager of Radio Station CKPG Limited Friday, December 19, 1997 - 9:05 AM

Ben Meisner is off today and early next week for a brief Christmas vacation. We did not take him off the air. Ben won a limited-entry hunting draw for northern B.C., and his time off was planned well before the recall and media fires were fuelled earlier this week. Ben will be back after the holidays.

In place of Ben's regular editorial, I am taking this time to give you my views, as General Manager of this radio station respecting the highly sensitive issue of Recall, and our role as a media outlet in this debate.

Our editorialists have had their say ... and may yet say more. Our listeners have and will continue to be heard through the Meisner Open Line Show. Voices for both the proponents and the opponents of the current recall campaign are being regularly heard in our newscasts and through paid commercials.

The decisions this week by Paul Ramsay [sic] to begin a lawsuit against CKPG and Ben Meisner over a broadcast in this time period on Monday has itself become a major news item. In the fallout arising from Mr. Ramsay's [sic] decision and the subsequent news coverage, some of our listeners, such as callers to Ben's show on Tuesday, have been openly critical of CKPG and Monarch Broadcasting for what they interpret as "backing" Ben Meisner, and by association ... an implied backing of recall. It concerns me that some listeners, and perhaps some that have a stake in the outcome of recall, may believe that corporately, our radio station is solidly aboard the recall bandwagon.

Let me make this perfectly clear. Neither 550 CKPG Radio nor our parent company Monarch Broadcasting has a position on recall. We are, in plain English - neutral. We support neither side ... period. Neutral too are sister stations PGTV and Country 101-FM.

As broadcasters, we do have important work to do on the recall issue ... in four distinctly separate areas.

First: news. it is our policy to provide equitable and balanced news coverage. We will not sanitize, slant or allow bias in our coverage. Whenever one side issues a news release or makes a comment, we seek a reaction from the other side. We are obliged to provide balanced and equitable coverage on recall, and for that matter any other controversial issue. I truly believe we're doing that. Frankly, we've had very few complaints for such a touchy subject, and I can say that we've had an equal number of complaints from each side on the debate. That re-assures me we are doing our job at providing balance. I'd welcome your phone calls or letters if you think otherwise.

[44] The evidence of Ramsey is that he was upset by the attribution of the constituent's comments to himself for two reasons.

[45] The first is that it reflected poorly upon him because it could be perceived as an expression of his attitude as an M.L.A. towards his constituents. Second, Ramsey was concerned about how his friends and neighbours, also voters, would view him in light of the words about them. This concern was highlighted by a threat of a long-time supporter and campaign worker who threatened to withdraw his support if in fact Ramsey had used such words.

[46] Unquestionably, the recall campaign was upsetting to both Ramsey and his family. The extent to which this broadcast added to the general stress is difficult to discern on the evidence.

[47] In the period of December 16th and following, the radio station, through its news broadcasts both on its AM and FM stations, made reference to the erroneous quotation without repeating it and professed apologies on its own and inferentially Meisner's behalf. Examples of this are to be found in news broadcast transcripts from December 15th, 16th and 17th as recorded in Exhibit 1, Tab 12.

[48] Finally in its December 21st Sunday edition The Province published an apology entitled "For the record sorry Mr. Ramsey."

[49] On December 29th the defendants' counsel wrote to Ramsey's counsel the following:

This is to notify you pursuant to the Libel and Slander Act that our clients, Radio Station CKPG Ltd. and Ben Meisner, have made full and fair retractions and apologies for the words complained of in the Statement of Claim. Those retractions and apologies were made on Radio Station CKPG on December 15, 16 and 19, 1997. A similar apology was also made by Mr. Meisner in a CBC interview on December 15th or 16th. I suspect you already have recordings or transcripts of all of these, but in any event I will be providing them to you in the new year. ...

[50] Ramsey in his cross-examination concedes that he has no claim for actual damages in terms of monetary or economic loss.

[51] On January 7, Mr. Burnett delivered to Mr. McGrady transcripts of the following broadcasts:

1. December 15, statement of the defendant Meisner upon his being handed the retraction published in The Province newspaper of that morning;

2. December 16, the Meisner editorial;

3. December 16, the Meisner interview by the CBC;

4. the December 19 statement/editorial of the CKPG radio station General Manager, Mr. Leighton.

[52] The letter enclosing them also confirmed that the December 15 Meisner editorial had been removed from the CKPG web site by 4:30 p.m. of December 15. The letter did not include any transcript of the talk or phone-in portion of the December 16 editorial. Mr. Burnett in the penultimate paragraph of the letter enclosing the transcript made the following observation:

It should be noted that all of the above actions were taken without a request for apology or retraction. In fact, you will recall that on December 15th, 1997, when you first spoke to me on the telephone I specifically suggested that your client should make a request for apology and retraction as I anticipated those would be forth- coming in the circumstances. The fact that your client chose instead to hold numerous press conferences speaks volumes regarding his motivation.

[53] As I shall later observe, during the press conferences to which Mr. Burnett referred, Ramsey sought apologies not only from the defendants but also from Hauka, the Province and its publisher.

[54] The defendants in paragraph 6(a) of their Statement of Defence assert Ramsey's repetition of the constituent's words "reflected badly upon Ramsey's judgment, sensitivity and fitness for office".

[55] As well, in paragraph 9 of the Statement of Defence, the defendants assert that any damage suffered by Ramsey was "purely the result of his own conduct". The defendants raise a number of defences that are pled in the alternative. These are:

1. That the publication of the words complained of, being the [La-Z-Boy] quotation were not defamatory (para. 4);

2. That in the event that they are found to be defamatory then the defendants have made a full and fair retraction and apology and that they rely upon the defences of apology contained within the Libel and Slander Act (para. 5);

3. That in the alternative that the words complained of other than the [La-Z-Boy] quotation were the honestly held opinions of the defendant Meisner in respect of Ramsey's performances and elected representative and as such are fair comment (para. 6);

4. That in the further alternative, the defendants were entitled to constitutional privilege pursuant to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to make such reports about Ramsey or that such expression constituted a qualified privilege (para. 7);

5. That in the further alternative, that Ramsey has not established that the complained of quotation was false or were negligently or recklessly made or that such words caused actual damage (para. 8);

6. In the further alternative, the defendant pleads that Ramsey has suffered no damage and, if he has, then such damage is a consequence of Ramsey's own or others conduct and not as a consequence of publications by the defendant.

[56] I pause at this stage to observe that Ramsey does not allege any defamatory acts other than the attribution of the La-Z-Boy quotation to himself and further that the defendants advance no arguments with respect to any privilege pursuant to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[57] The first question to be determined was whether the material broadcast was libellous.

[58] The assessment of whether words broadcast or published are libellous or are capable of being defamatory is to be assessed from the perspective of an objective and, as such, a reasonable and intelligent listener or reader. As was discussed in Kerr v. Conlogue (1992), 65 B.C.L.R. (2d) 70 (B.C.S.C.) at 79 following Sim v. Stretch, [1936] 2 All E.R. 1237 (H.L.) at 1240:

With respect to the legal issue of whether the Article is capable of being defamatory, the Court must decide "whether the words in their ordinary signification would...tend to lower the plaintiff in the estimation of the right-thinking peruser who knows nothing of the circumstances..."

Therefore, to resolve the issue of whether words are capable of being defamatory, the Court must determine whether, given their nature or ordinary meaning and bearing in mind the particular business trade or profession concerned, the statements are to Ramsey's discredit (Scott v. Sampson (1882), 8 Q.B.D. 491).

[59] In this situation, Ramsey was a politician subject to a recall campaign in which his political future stood in peril. Press reports suggested to the electorate that those in favour of the recall petition stood at the threshold of obtaining their objective: a by-election. Ramsey was a long-time resident of the community and, more importantly, of a constituency of some 22,000 voters. The erroneous attribution of the La-Z-Boy quote to him as opposed to attributing it to a single constituent was greatly prejudicial to him both as an MLA facing recall and as a member of the community to which the quotation made derogatory reference. In forming this conclusion, I adopt the definition of a defamatory statement cited by Nemetz, C.J.B.C. and Seaton, J.A. in their judgments in Vander Zalm v. Times Publishers Ltd. (1980), 18 B.C.L.R. 210 as extracted from R.F.V. Heuston, Salmond on the Law of Torts, 17th ed. (London: Sweet & Maxwell, 1977) at 139-140:

A defamatory statement is one which has the tendency to injure the reputation of the person to whom it refers; which tends, that is to say, to lower him in the estimation of right-thinking members of society generally and in particular to cause him to be regarded with feelings of hatred, contempt, ridicule, fear, dislike or disesteem.

I am of the view that the attribution of the La-Z-Boy quotation to Ramsey had the tendency to lower Ramsey not only in his constituents' esteem but also in the esteem of the public in general, as it opened him to ridicule and injured his reputation both as a politician and as a member of that community. Just as the quotation was derogatory to the voting public, so too did the attribution of it to Ramsey likewise denigrate him. I conclude the attribution of the quotation to Ramsey was defamatory.

[60] Section 7 of the Libel and Slander Act, R.S.B.C. 1996, c. 263, provides the following:

7. In an action the plaintiff is entitled to recover only actual damages if on the trial of the action is proven that:

(a) the article was published in good faith;

(b) there was reasonable ground to believe that it was for the public benefit;

(c) it did not involve a criminal charge; and

(d) if a publication took place in mistake or misapprehension of the facts a full and fair retraction of a statement in it alleged to be erroneous was published either in the next regular issue of the newspaper or other periodical publication, or in any regular issue of it published within three days after the service of the writ, and was published in as conspicuous a place and type as was the article complained of, or

(e) if the alleged libel was broadcast the retraction was broadcast within a reasonable time and at the latest, three days after the service of the Writ and was broadcast as widely and as often as was the alleged libel, and a transcript of the retraction broadcast was delivered or sent by registered mail addressed to the plaintiff within that period.

Sub-section 7(d) has no application to this matter. Section 6 of the Act is different from Section 7 in that while Section 6 refers to the concept of an apology all that is referred to in Section 7 is a full and fair retraction.

[61] I consider first the defences raised under Section 7.

[62] If the defendant succeeds upon a Section 7 defence, given Ramsey's concession that there are no actual damages incurred as a result of the broadcasts, there would be no need to consider Section 6. In order to successfully rely upon Section 7 and defeat Ramsey's claims, the defendant must satisfy each of the requirements of sections 7(a), (b), (c), (d) and (e).

[63] Was the article published in good faith? Here the defendant Meisner says that he relied, for the truth of what he broadcast, upon the fact that the La-Z-Boy quote was published in The Province newspaper. That assertion, however, is contradicted by Meisner himself. If that reliance was solidly founded in Meisner's mind, then there would have been no reason for him to have made what he says were his attempts to contact Ramsey on the Sunday before he prepared his editorial. I concluded earlier that I do not accept his evidence that he attempted in any meaningful way to contact Ramsey at his residence. Likewise, if Meisner sought to contact Ramsey's constituency office, he left no message there according to the evidence of those who checked the answering machine. The fact that Meisner testified that he sought to contact Ramsey is in my view indicative of an uncertainty with regards to the veracity of the attribution of the La-Z-Boy quotation to Ramsey. That lack of assurance of the quality of reportage in The Province is confirmed by Meisner's comments to the CBC reporter at approximately 8:00 a.m. on December 16th. He was asked if he would "change the source of his materials for editorials in the future", to which he responded:

Oh I think there is no question about that and I think The Province has you know given out some materials in the past and I would say that what it confirms I guess I have always had in the back of my mind that I shouldn't reliance upon The Province for anything that you'd get from them because it's... I don't know that's the very sort of low end kind of newspaper. I took it because it was in prefaces as an exact quote and I assumed that they wouldn't dress that up.

In addition, Meisner's comments in his editorial broadcast approximately one hour later on December 16th might be regarded as an after-the-fact realization that he could not rely upon what he read in The Province. He said "I am not about to align myself with the kind of journalism used by the Vancouver Province to sell newspapers." These comments satisfy me that Meisner, prior to the December 15th editorial, should have been on his guard and was not.

[64] While Ramsey's counsel submitted that the history of public disagreements between Meisner and Ramsey provide a basis to conclude that Meisner was in essence looking for a basis to "get" Ramsey and thus enhance his own hot-line show, I do not accept that characterization of Meisner's motive. Differing views aside, the fact is that where there is a basis to suspect the quality of information, it is negligent to broadcast it without taking such simple steps as were available to Meisner. Meisner could have checked with either Ramsey or Hauka, the known source of the quote. He did neither. He should have known that the attribution of such a quote to Ramsey had the potential to damage his reputation within the community both politically and otherwise. For such a seasoned political broadcaster, the warnings of caution were self-evident in The Province issue of December 14th in which another political columnist, Michael Smith, referred to Ramsey's alleged remark as "astonishing" and stated that Ramsey was "a politician who should know better."

[65] Meisner was a broadcaster who knew Ramsey well. Such comments by another journalist should have reasonably set warning bells ringing in Meisner's ears; bells which he either did not hear or chose to ignore in the pursuit of a story that would, in the context of the Prince George recall campaign, be "big news" if it was true.

[66] Unquestionably, had Ramsey made such a comment it would have been reasonable grounds for Meisner to believe that such publication of the content was in the public benefit. Even if Ramsey had, as in fact he did, simply quoted a constituent, that too would have been of such importance in the context of the emotionally charged recall campaign as to warrant its publication in the public forum.

[67] The Ontario Court of Appeal in Teskey v. Canadian Newspapers Co. (1989), 59 D.L.R. (4th) 709 adopted an earlier decision of the Supreme Court of Minnesota in Allan v. Pioneer Company , 41 N.W. 936 (1889) in which that Court held that publishing in good faith required not mere belief in the truth of an article published but

[the] proper consideration for the character and reputation of the person whose character is likely to be injuriously affected by the publication. It requires of the publisher that he exercise the care and vigilance of a prudent and conscientious man, wielding, as he does, the great power of the public press. There must be an absence not only of improper motive, but of negligence, on his part. It is his duty to take all reasonable precautions to verify the truth of the statement and to prevent untrue and injurious publications against others.

[68] Meisner failed to make inquiries about an information source that he himself had suspected. That suspicion, coupled with the knowledge of Ramsey's reputation despite his political differences with him, and the knowledge, as a public broadcaster of the effect of such an attribution to Ramsey shows that his editorial was not made in good faith.

[69] Although it is necessary for a defendant to meet each of the requirements of Section 7 to limit a plaintiff to actual damages, and I have concluded the absence of good faith in the broadcast attributing the La-Z-Boy quotation to Ramsey, I wish also to consider the further subsections of Section 7.

[70] I conclude as well that the defendant has established that there was "reasonable ground to believe that the broadcast of the attribution of the quotation to Ramsey (if true) was for the public benefit" (7(b)), and it did not involve a criminal charge (7(c)).

[71] Sub-section 7(d) sets forth the need to establish that if a publication took place in a mistake or misapprehension of the facts that a "full and fair retraction" of the erroneous statement occurred within the specified time limits. Sub-section (e) expands the manner of that retraction in the event that the alleged libel was in the form of a broadcast.

[72] As with the determination of whether or not a publication is defamatory, the test to be applied in terms of whether the retraction is a full and frank one is that of a reasonable person's conclusion (see R.E. Brown, The Law of Defamation in Canada (Toronto: Carswell, 1987) at 25-35). Such a reasonable person must conclude the apology or retraction is a "full and frank withdrawal of the charges conveyed and admits that the charge was unfounded and made under a misapprehension of the real facts." In the absence of malice, which I have already concluded is the situation in this case, "it is not necessary that the defendant indulge in an abject apology. There does not have to be a complete capitulation."

[73] Ramsey says that what the defendant characterizes as a retraction/apology are actually aggravations of the original harm done by Meisner's broadcast on December 15th. Mr. McGrady characterizes these purported retractions/ apologies as "attack apologies" in which the original libellous statements the defendant made on December 15th are simply reinforced in the listener's mind.

[74] The defendant sets forth the rhetorical question of what else the defendants could have done in the context of events of December 15th and Mr. McGrady's letter of that same date, in which he requests the defendant not republish "the offending quotation" and then wrote "I will discuss with Mr. Ramsey this evening your suggestion as to a possible apology as a way of dealing with this matter. I am doubtful there will be any agreement but I do agree to raise it with him."

[75] I pause parenthetically to observe that the defendants did broadcast what they called a retraction "within a reasonable time and at least three days after the service of the writ" pursuant to sub-section (7)(e) and that such was broadcast as widely and as often as the original alleged libel. However, the defendants failed to provide to Ramsey a transcript of the retraction broadcast within the time prescribed by sub-section 7(e). The writ was served on December 23rd. Transcripts were not delivered until January 7th, 1998. That is a minor matter which I would not hold against the defendant.

[76] The real issue then is whether or not there has been a publication of a full and fair retraction. Can it be said that what occurred following the original broadcast that misattributed the La-Z-Boy quote to Ramsey amounted to such a full and fair retraction? Those "full and fair" retractions/ apologies were summarized in Mr. Burnett's letter to Mr. McGrady of January 7th, 1998:

1. The December 15, 1997 statement by Mr. Meisner, approximately 15 minutes after his editorial, in which he was handed and immediately read the full quotation from Mr. Ramsey. We have not included the transcript since those words were transcribed in your statement of claim and you obviously have them.

2. The December 16, 1997 editorial by Ben Meisner, a transcript of which is attached and which was also posted on the Internet.

3. The December 16, 1997 interview of Ben Meisner on the CBC, a transcript of which is enclosed.

4. The December 19, 1997 statement, during Mr. Meisner's ordinary editorial comment, by the general manager of CKPG, a transcript of which is enclosed.

In addition, Mr. Meisner's clarification and apologies were referred to and quoted repeatedly in CKPG newscasts on December 15th and 16th, 1997.

[77] A retraction/apology has three constituent parts.

[78] It acknowledges the error, expresses regret for the error and expresses an apology for the erroneous statements. It must be understandable by a reasonable person, not just the plaintiff, to be a full and unqualified apology and thus a full and fair retraction (see Bennett v. Stupich (1981), 30 B.C.L.R. 57 (B.C.S.C.). As stated earlier, it does not require any element of abjectness, absent evidence of personal malice between the defamer and defamed.

[79] Such an apology/retraction must not provoke or remind the listener or reader of the original libel. In this situation, the concept of retraction and apology must be considered in the context of the various broadcasts that followed the original libel on December 15th and that are referred to in Mr. Burnett's letter of January 7th, 1998.

1. DECEMBER 15th, 1997

[80] The alleged "apology and retraction" that took place on December 15th does not contain any reference to either an apology or retraction. Some 18 minutes into the broadcast that commenced with the libellous editorial and during which Meisner had reinforced the libel in discussions with various callers, Meisner was provided with the copy of the Monday Province newspaper. Mr. Meisner remarks:

May I get this Ramsay's [sic] remarks in full context in The Province in today's Province. This is the exact quote that I referred to in my editorial and this is the exact statement that was made by Paul Ramsay [sic]. May I read it to you so that there can be no confusion created into what is said.

[81] Meisner then reads the faxed copy of the morning's Province newspaper in which The Province acknowledges that the quotation attributed to Mr. Ramsey was not in context and then quoted an unedited transcript of the conversation between Ramsey and Mr. Hauka.

[82] Immediately thereafter when a caller comments on the quote "pompous remark", Meisner reminds the caller of his view that The Province had it out of context, then adds his own comments:

Now whether he buys into that notion or not is another matter. If he repeated it did he agree with. I don't know.

[83] Throughout the remaining portion of this approximate one hour broadcast there is no apology or retraction, rather there is a continued discussion on Meisner's opinions of disagreement with Ramsey and his Government's policy.

[84] On December 15th at approximately 10:30 a.m. the offending editorial was posted to the defendant CKPG's website where it remained until approximately 1:30 in the afternoon, despite the fact that CKPG was aware of the libel contained therein.

[85] At 4:49 Mr. McGrady, having discussed the matter with Mr. Burnett, wrote to him and in that letter specifically requested:

...you take steps to ensure that neither the radio station nor Mr. Meisner republish any of these statements.

2. DECEMBER 15th/16th NEWS BROADCASTS:

[86] At 6:00 of December 15th the defendant CKPG broadcast:

Late this afternoon talk-show host Ben Meisner issued the following statement: I am not about to align myself with this type of journalism. What The Province did was grossly misleading and I apologize for being in anyway involved in their comments.

At the 7:00 p.m. news on December 15th:

The defendant CKPG broadcast as part of that newscast that Ramsey was upset over "an alleged erroneous statement" being the article in The Province upon which Meisner based his editorial. The news broadcast then refers to Mr. Meisner saying:

What the newspaper did was grossly misleading and he has apologized for being in anyway involved in the controversy.

[87] The broadcasts of December 16th were similar in tenor. Meisner continued to express regrets for having been involved when he said on a broadcast at 2:30:

I am not about to align myself with this type of journalism. What The Province did was grossly misleading and I apologize for being in anyway involved in their comments.

[88] Such comments in my view do not constitute a retraction nor an apology but rather merely an expression of regret for having been caught up in a controversy for which Meisner and CKPG were facing potential legal proceedings.

[89] Counsel for the defendant argue that Ramsey indicated at a press scrum on December 16th that he regarded the statements made by the defendant and CKPG as being apologetic. A reading of his evidence at trial on this issue does not draw me to this conclusion. What in essence Ramsey testified to on April 18th was that on December 16th, 1997, he was pleased to think that the broadcast comments "indicated some change of stance from the previous day".

3. DECEMBER 16th, 1997 CBC INTERVIEW STATEMENT

[90] Meisner's comments to the CBC interviewer do not suggest to me any apologetic stance or retraction. Rather, they are evidence of an aggressive stance. Again, Meisner apologizes for "carrying the item", questions Ramsey's intentions for issuing the Writ and in failing to "contact the station to set the record straight." Meisner was attempting to shift some of the responsibility for his offending broadcast to Ramsey when he said "I haven't heard from Mr. Ramsey or any of his advisors to what I said was incorrect. I have been forced to rely upon the media to get that information." Once again he repeats his regret for having relied upon The Province newspaper when he says "my error was in taking The Province newspaper in prefaces as 'accurate' and I should not have." Meisner in this interview evidences little understanding of the effect of his erroneous comments upon Ramsey and his community. He seems to be attempting to shift responsibility for his own errors on to Ramsey.

4. THE DECEMBER 16TH, 1997 EDITORIAL

[91] Ramsey does not say that these comments constitute a separate libel. Rather he argues that by repeating the original libel in the context of this purported retraction and apology, the original libel was reinforced, and the damage caused by the libel was therefore aggravated. This editorial contains within itself a number of remarkable features. The editorial is not a spontaneous broadcast but one which, according to the evidence, Meisner took time to prepare and as with other editorials, it was prepared on a disk for publication to the CKPG website.

[92] Meisner testified that in preparing it he followed the "standard practice in the industry to identify the error." Notwithstanding the written request of Ramsey's solicitor that the offending attribution of the quote to Ramsey and the quote itself not be repeated, Meisner commenced his editorial by referring to The Province article that attributed the La-Z-Boy quote to Ramsey. He observed that he quoted The Province word for word but now finds the newspaper was grossly incorrect. He blames The Province for this predicament.

[93] Meisner then reads the article in the Monday, December 15th edition of The Province which again refers to the La-Z-Boy quote, but properly attributes it to a constituent.

[94] Meisner then observes the following:

To this point I can only assume that this is in fact what Mr. Ramsey actually said. I have not received at any time from either he [sic] or his office a transcript informing me that the comments I had made were grossly incorrect. I have been forced to rely upon comments being made by The Province newspaper and other media in this province. Neither this radio station, CKPG, the general manager or myself were contacted to set the record straight. I might add that the moment we knew for a fact what had taken place we set about not only to apologize but set the record straight.

[95] He continues saying:

Having said that I raised the issue of whether dropping the writ and the associated news coverage was more important than correcting a grave error that had occurred.

[96] In the next paragraph Meisner comments:

I apologize to Paul Ramsey for having carried the quote from The Province

and observes that he was:

...caught in that trap by believing that headlines in The Province newspaper was in fact truthful.

[97] Meisner concludes his purported apology as follows:

I apologize to Paul Ramsey for believing The Province story to be true. Paul Ramsey must stand on his own record. There is in my opinion no need to resort to yellow journalism and libellous statements about Paul Ramsey. His record quite clearly speaks for itself.

[98] This editorial, in my view, does not approach what might be regarded as an apology or a full and fair retraction.

[99] Meisner instead of placing the responsibility for the error of his broadcast where it belonged, (i.e. squarely upon his own shoulders), continues to blame The Province and Ramsey. Adequate journalism demanded that Mr. Meinser inquire into the truthfulness of a questionable report before publishing it. His responsibility lies in the inquiries he failed to make.

[100] Meisner, in my view, erroneously criticized Ramsey for not providing information by which Meisner could extricate himself from the very error he had caused and which was his responsibility to resolve. Indeed, the evidence at trial was that Ramsey's assistant, Ms. Kidd, did contact CKPG's station manager, Michael Woodsworth, the very morning of the broadcast and faxed the Monday morning Province article entitled "Ramsey's remarks in full context" to the station during the course of Meisner's December 15th broadcast. The defendant did not call Mr. Woodsworth at trial nor provide any reasons for not doing so, and thus I accept Ms. Kidd's evidence that such information was, in fact, provided to the defendant in a timely manner.

[101] Thus, Meisner's attempted explanation in the December 16th editorial, although not incorrect, was misleading. He sought to blame Ramsey for the predicament and explain himself out the predicament he himself had created. I conclude that the December 16th editorial was neither an apology nor a retraction. Rather it consisted of Meisner pointing the finger of responsibility at others in the context of an aggressive assault upon Ramsey's political views. Meisner simply has no concept of what he has done to Ramsey in terms of his standing within his residential and political community.

[102] After that December 16th editorial, the defendant did not leave Prince George on a planned hunting trip as Ramsey had been led to believe by the editorial in Mr. Burnett's letter of December 7th. Rather, he continued to host the call- in portion of the regular show.

[103] During that portion of the broadcast there is again reference to the La-Z-Boy quote. At one point Meisner commented that he read that The Province correction as "tongue and cheek" and at another point when a caller questions whether Ramsey could come up with the quoted constituent Meisner observed that that was an "interesting point".

[104] Counsel for Ramsey submitted that the continuing critical nature of Meisner's comments about Ramsey in the political arena detracts from any veracity of his apologies. In my view, the two issues are disparate and I would not conclude that these continuing critical comments about Ramsey's political policies detract from whatever might be argued to be an apology and retraction. They are at worst simply indicative of bad taste and poor timing.

5. THE CKPG EDITORIAL DECEMBER 19TH, 1997

[105] Upon Meisner leaving on his hunting trip, Mr. Leighton the General Manager of CKPG issued an editorial in the time spot used by Meisner's talk-show. The editorial commences by an assertion of neutrality on the issue of recall and support of the station's two editorial broadcasters and of their independence in expressing their views. In the final portion of the statement, Mr. Leighton then draws the listeners' attention to the "Meisner Editorial [repeating] a quotation attributable to Paul Ramsey which had been published the day before in the Vancouver Province."

[106] Mr. Leighton refers to being contacted by Ramsey's solicitor, removing Meisner's editorial from the station's website late on the afternoon of December 15th and then referred to the various Meisner "apologizes and retractions" and concludes:

Ben was mistaken to have taken the Vancouver Province headline at its face value, and he said so. Radio Station CKPG Limited, which transmitted those words, was also mistaken. We too are also sorry, and we also apologize to Mr. Ramsay [sic]. The whole thing was a mistake, corrected as quickly as possible, and with apologies issued.

Mr. Ramsay's [sic] lawsuit seeks a retraction, an apology as well as general and punitive damages. We've delivered the retraction and apology to an audience much broader than the broadcast that gave rise to the issue to begin with. Frankly, we can do no more. In due course, we will let the courts determine whether we have acted responsibly or not, whether there is damage or not, and if so what those damages are.

[107] The penultimate paragraph begins not with an apology to Ramsey but rather than expression of regret for having mistakenly accepted the veracity of The Province's article without question.

[108] It then purports to apologize but says "[the] whole thing was a mistake corrected as quickly as possible and with apologizes issued." As I have concluded earlier I do not conclude that what preceded December 19th constituted any retraction or apology to Ramsey.

[109] The final paragraph returns to a confrontational style that, in essence, questions the actions of Ramsey in filing the lawsuit.

[110] The sincerity of what was advanced as an apology on December 19th can be measured against the testimony of Mr. Leighton at trial when he said in his examination-in-chief:

My impression at the time which I continue to hold today is that I felt the action brought by Mr. Ramsey against our company and Mr. Meisner had less to do with setting the record straight and more to do with political posturing related to recall. I felt very badly at the time and still feel very badly that the words caused apparently caused Mr. Ramsey personal injury and I deeply regret that. I would have felt then and now much better about the entire controversy had Mr. Ramsey agreed to accept our invitation to go on the air and express his points of view on the matter. Regrettably he chose not to do so.

[111] Mr. Leighton, as with Meisner, does not understand the effect that attributing such a quotation to Ramsey would not only have had upon Ramsey's political reputation but also his standing in the community in which he lived and taught for many years. Given the nature of Meisner's aggressive political attacks upon Ramsey on December 15th and 16th, attacks which in any other context would have been an accepted part of political life, the invitation to come on his show would be tantamount to inviting Ramsey into a lion's den where there could be no meaningful apology or retraction. It was not for Ramsey to make amends. That lay with the defendants who, in my opinion, utterly failed to do so.

[112] The defence profers no other efforts to make an apology or retraction and those that were pled were done in the alternative, to the argument that the December 15th comments were not libellous. The defendants say Ramsey was not interested in an apology and point to Ramsey's counsel's letter to Mr. Burnett of December 15th in which among other things he wrote:

I also confirm that I will discuss with Mr. Ramsey this evening your suggestion as to a possible apology as a way of dealing with the matter. I am doubtful there will be any agreement but I do agree to raise it with him.

[113] That comment does not suggest that Ramsey rejected the concept of apology. In the Prince George Citizen edition of December 16th, 1997 it was reported that Ramsey wanted to compel the newspaper [The Province] and CKPG radio talk-show host Ben Meisner to apologize for their falsely reporting that he made critical comments about Prince George voters. This stated belied any suggestion that Ramsey was not desirous of seeking an apology.

[114] Indeed, there was good reason to issue the Writ at such an early time given the provisions of Section 7(e) of the Act.

[115] In conclusion, I am of the view that Section 7 provides no defence to the defendants in the circumstances of this case.

[116] The defendants advance an argument that there is a defence of qualified privilege available to them in the event that the Section 7 defence fails. The defence of qualified privilege is predicated upon a recognition that there are occasions in which one may publish or broadcast defamatory statements about another without legal consequence.

[117] In Moises v. Canadian Newspaper Company (1996), 24 B.C.L.R. (3d) 211, the British Columbia Court of Appeal held at 218 that the

categories of situations in which a qualified privilege will arise are not closed and the determination of whether or not the defence should succeed can be a difficult matter. As stated by Lindley L.J. in Stuart v. Bell, [1891] 2 Q.B. 341 at 346 (C.A.):

The reason for holding any occasion privileged is common convenience and the welfare of society and it is obvious that no definite line can be so drawn as to mark off with precision occasions which are privileged and separate them from those which are not.

[118] Some 109 years after Stuart v. Bell the New Zealand Court of Appeal, in a reconsideration of an earlier judgment that had been pronounced upon by the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, reiterated the observations of Lindley L.J. in Stuart v. Bell when in Lange v. Atkinson, 2000 NZCA 95, it referred to his comments that the privilege would arise "if all or, at all events, the mass of right-minded men in the position of the defendant would have considered it their duty in the circumstances" to communicate the information concerned (at para. 19).

[119] The defence of qualified privilege was stated in Horrocks v. Lowe, [1974] 1 All E.R. 662 at 669 as arising when

[there] is positive belief in the truth of what he published.... If he publishes untrue defamatory matter recklessly, without considering or caring whether it be true or not, he is in this, as in other branches of the law, treated as if he knew it to be false. But indifference to the truth of what he publishes is not to be equated with carelessness, impulsiveness, or irrationality arriving at a positive belief that it is true... despite the imperfection of the mental process by which the belief is arrived at it may still be "honest"...The law demands no more.

[120] Since Horrocks v. Lowe, there have been a number of Commonwealth decisions that apply a qualified privilege defence to publications in the media on matters of political speech or commentary. These include Reynolds v. The Times Newspaper, [1998] 3 All E.R. 961 (C.A.) and [1999] H.L.J. No. 45 (Q.L.) (H.L.), 3 W.L.R. 1010; Lange v. Atkinson, [2000] 1 N.Z.L.R. 257 (J.C.P.C.) and Lange v. Australian Broadcasting Corp. (1997), 145 A.L.R. 96 (H.C.A.).

[121] Those decisions express views not dissimilar to the Supreme Court of Canada's observations in Hill v. The Church of Scientology of Toronto, [1995] 2 S.C.R. 1130, that required defendant publishers to make a reasonable investigation into the correctness of that which they intended to publish or otherwise risk being found to have been reckless at a minimum or to have been found to not tell the truth at the worse and, thus, in either event to be denied the defence of qualified privilege.

[122] The most recent observation on this area of law is to be found in the New Zealand Court of Appeal's reconsideration of its earlier judgment in Lange v. Atkinson, upon its return from the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. Both Lange and Reynolds were delivered by the Judicial Committee on the same day. Lange had been decided by the New Zealand Court of Appeal on the basis of the English Court of Appeal decision in Reynolds and thus, given the House of Lords' comments and in particular those of Lord Nicholls in Reynolds, the matter was referred back to the New Zealand Court of Appeal for further consideration. In Reynolds, the House of Lords held that qualified privilege may apply to political discussions in all circumstances of a particular publication, but that there is no generic privilege extending to publications of political information to the public at large and, therefore, it was still necessary to "examine the circumstances of publication before determining whether the public interest was served by treating the occasion as one of qualified privilege", (see Lange, para. 7). In Reynolds, Lord Nicolls set forth at para. 54 some 10 factors to be considered in this consideration, one of which was the "steps taken to verify the information".

[123] In its reconsideration, the New Zealand Court of Appeal at para. 44 considered the reasons of Diplock L.J. in Horrocks v. Lowe, and made these observations:

[44] At common law malice was presumed when the words published were false and defamatory. The presumption was however rebutted if the occasion was one of qualified privilege. The privilege could nevertheless be defeated if actual malice was proved by the plaintiff. What constituted malice was restated in Horrocks v. Lowe [1975] AC 135, 149-150 by Lord Diplock, in what have since been regarded as authoritative terms. His reference in that restatement to carelessness, impulsiveness or irrationality not being equated to indifference, must be read in context. The proposition does not qualify the preceding statements which cover lack of genuine belief and recklessness. Thus while carelessness will not of itself be sufficient to negate the defence, its existence may well support an assertion by the plaintiff of a lack of belief or recklessness. In this way the concept of reasonable or responsible conduct on the part of a defendant in the particular circumstances becomes a legitimate consideration. It can also be said that in the context of political discussion an irrational belief in truth is seldom likely to feature. It is for example difficult to envisage reliance on such an argument when a newspaper is defending its publication of false and defamatory material.

[45] Recklessness as to truth has traditionally been treated as equivalent to knowledge of falsity, see for example Fleming on Torts (9th ed: 1998) at 639. Both deprive the defendant of qualified privilege. We note as a relevant analogy the recent approach of the House of Lords to recklessness when their Lordships were considering the tort of misfeasance in public office: see Three Rivers District Council v. Governor and Co. of the Bank of England (speeches 18 May 2000). In particular Lord Steyn, when citing from the judgment of Clarke J at first instance, approved the view that recklessness involves a lack of honesty in the exercise of the power in question. He added:

This is an organic development, which fits into the structure of our law governing intentional torts. The policy underlying it is sound: reckless indifference to consequences is as blameworthy as deliberately seeking such consequences.

[46] By the same token, it may be said that reckless indifference to truth is almost as blameworthy as deliberately stating falsehoods. Lord Diplock gave a helpful description of recklessness in the present field when he spoke of someone who publishes defamatory material "without considering or caring" whether it was true or false. Indifference to truth is, of course, not the same thing conceptually as failing to take reasonable care with the truth but in practical terms they tend to shade into each other. It is useful, when considering whether an occasion of qualified privilege has been misused, to ask whether the defendant has exercised the degree of responsibility which the occasion required.

[47] What constitutes recklessness is something which must take its colour from the nature of the occasion, and the nature of the publication. If it is reckless not "to consider or care" whether a statement be true or false, as Lord Diplock indicated, it must be open to the view that a perfunctory level of consideration (against the substance, gravity and width of the publication) can also be reckless. It is within the concept of misusing the occasion to say that the defendant may be regarded as reckless if there has been a failure to give such responsible consideration to the truth or falsity of the statement as the jury considers should have been given in all the circumstances. In essence the privilege may well be lost if the defendant takes what in all the circumstances can fairly be described as a cavalier approach to the truth of the statement.

[48] No consideration and insufficient consideration are equally capable of leading to an inference of misuse of the occasion. The rationale for loss of the privilege in such circumstances is that the privilege is granted on the basis that it will be responsibly used. There is no public interest in allowing defamatory statements to be made irresponsibly - recklessly- under the banner of freedom of expression. What amounts to a reckless statement must depend significantly on what is said and to whom and by whom. It must be accepted that to require the defendant to give such responsible consideration to the truth or falsity of the publication as is required by the nature of the allegation and the width of the intended dissemination, may in some circumstances come close to a need for the taking of reasonable care. In others a genuine belief in truth after relatively hasty and incomplete consideration may be sufficient to satisfy the dictates of the occasion and to avoid any inference of taking improper advantage of the occasion.

[124] The New Zealand Court of Appeal declined to import the concept of reasonableness of control into the law of libel of New Zealand. That, however, is the law in Canada as enunciated in Hill, and thus the defence of qualified privilege requires an element of reasonable investigation into the correctness of that to be published or broadcast.

[125] The basis of the determination of that issue is clearly recognized in the introductory comments in the New Zealand Court of Appeal judgment in Lange in para. 2 where the Court quotes from the House of Lords' the decision in Reynolds:

Against this somewhat kaleidoscopic background, one feature of all the judgments, New Zealand, Australian and English, stands out with conspicuous clarity: the recognition that striking a balance between freedom of expression and protection of reputation calls for a value judgment which depends upon local, political and social conditions.

[126] Thus the difference between the conclusion of the recent New Zealand Court of Appeal decision and the earlier views of the Supreme Court of Canada in Hill can be rationalized by considering the different social mores and values between these two societies. In Canadian society, given the competitive nature of the media, there are good reasons to require an aspect of reasonable investigation before publication.

[127] Here, the incorrect attribution of the La-Z-Boy quotation had consequences more than just political in nature, for it suggested derogatory views held by Ramsey about those in the community in which he lived, as well as those who might vote for him.

[128] The law required a reasonable investigation by Meisner to determine the veracity of the attribution of the quote to Ramsey. Meisner did not do so and therefore I conclude the defence of qualified privilege is not available to him. I conclude that Meisner cannot be said to have had an honest belief in what he said on December 15th as his approach was one of recklessness rather than carelessness. The defence of qualified privilege cannot be availed of by such a defendant.

[129] There is also no basis in public policy or common convenience, therefore, that would be served by attaching qualified privilege to this occasion. The defendant CKPG, of course, is bound by the acts of Meisner.

[130] I now turn to the issue of damages. Section 6 of the Libel and Slander Act provides:

Special pleas and mitigation of damages for libel.

(1) In an action for libel in a newspaper or other periodical publication the defendant may plead in mitigation of damages the libel was inserted in the newspaper or other periodical publication without actual malice and without gross negligence, and

(a) that before the commencement of the action, or at the earliest opportunity afterwards, the defendant insert in the newspaper or other periodical publication a full apology for the libel, or

(b) if the newspaper or periodical publication in which the libel appeared is one ordinarily published at intervals exceeding one week, that the defendant offer to publish the apology in a newspaper or periodical publication to be selected by the plaintiff in the action,

(2) In an action for a libel in a broadcast the defendant may plead in mitigation of damages that the libel was broadcast without actual malice and without gross negligence and that before the commencement of the action or at the earliest opportunity afterwards, the defendant broadcast a full apology for the libel.

Here the defendant relies upon sub-section 2 saying that Meisner broadcast his December 15th comments without actual malice and without gross negligence. I agree that Meisner was not motivated by any personal malice towards Ramsey. The success of his talk show depended in part upon establishing and maintaining an audience interest in the program in return for which he received free advertising on CKPG for his other business ventures.

[131] I have concluded that the efforts at apology and retraction of Meisner and his co-defendants failed to be that which they purported to be. They improperly questioned Ramsey's efforts, including the issuing of the writ; this questioning was less then genuine.

[132] While it is true that the defendants invited Ramsey onto Meisner's show, I have concluded it was reasonable for Ramsey to have rejected that proposal, given Meisner's aggressive political stance towards Ramsey, as being less an opportunity for apology and retraction than an opportunity for political debate in which Ramsey's views of his constituents would be overshadowed by other unrelated issues. The testimony of both Meisner and Mr. Leighton convinces me that even up to and including the trial there was no meaningful efforts at apology or retraction.

[133] In Hill, Mr. Justice Cory at para. 182 adopted the factors to be taken into account in assessing damages as outlined in Gatley on Libel and Slander, 8th ed. (London: Sweet & Maxwell, 1998) as including:

...the conduct of the plaintiff, his position and standing, the nature of the libel, the mode and extent of publication, the absence or refusal of any retraction or apology and the whole conduct of the defendant from the time when the libel was published down to the very moment of their [jury] verdict. They may take into consideration the conduct of the defendant before action, after action and in court the trial of the action.

[134] In the context of this case, bearing in mind Ramsey's political position, I observe that in MacKay v. Southam Company (1995), 17 W.W.R. 183 (B.C.C.A.) O'Halloran J.A. noted at 186:

Conscientious men carrying out public duties have a right to be properly sensitive of their honour; if their moral integrity is impeached such men are deeply hurt. This injury is not only a subjective one but it is reflected in the eyes of their families, their friends and acquaintances; it impugns their reputations and good names.

[135] I accept that any award must not be such so as to stifle free expression of opinions and observe that those who do their research in a careful and reasoned manner have no need to fear the so-called "chilling effect" that was discussed in Westbank Indian Band v. Tomat (1992) 63 B.C.L.R. (2d) 273 (C.A.) by Wood J.A.

[136] The purpose of such award, as commented upon by Wood J.A. is:

...to bring clearly to public attention the fact that the allegations were unwarranted, and that no lawful excuse for making them existed.

[137] The defendant argues that Ramsey shares in the responsibility for Meisner's broadcast as he did nothing to caution him when Ramsey had, in fact, contacted the Prince George newspaper to ensure that they would not be publishing that contained in the Province. I accept that Section 4 of the Negligence Act, R.S.B.C. 1996, c. 333, may have application in libel actions, (see Brown v. Cole (1995), 14 B.C.L.R. (3d) 53 (C.A.) where liability was sought to be apportioned between defendants and third parties.) But I am unaware of any case where it has been applied to a plaintiff when he failed to ward off a potential defamer. In each of Moises v. The Canadian Newspaper Company, supra, Wenman v. Pacific Press Ltd. (30 January 1991),Vancouver Registry, C891725 (B.C.S.C.), [1991] B.C.J. No. 186 (Q.L.) and Vogel v. The CBC (1982), 35 B.C.L.R. 7 (S.C.) it was argued and rejected that a plaintiff had contributed to his own defamation by his conduct.

[138] The simple and most consistent answer to this assertion has been that such conduct whether in writing, letters to the editor, being a member of parliament or in conducting certain litigation is simply no answer to inaccurate and defamatory publications or broadcasts. I am of the view there was no duty on the part of Ramsey to warn off his potential defamers.

[139] The defendant also argues Ramsey contributed to his own defamation by failing in the Hauka interview to "distance himself" from the quote of the constituent. The answer to this is found in the Hauka interview as discussed in Ramsey's cross-examination on April 18 at page 9 of the transcript at trial and page 4 of the transcript of the interview in which Mr. Hauka seems to have no difficulty in recording that Ramsey was merely quoting a constituent, not adopting as his own the impugned remarks.

[140] In assessing damages I take into account:

1. That while Ramsey is a politician with whom Meisner has had substantial political disagreements, it had never been suggested that he held his constituents or any of them in any contempt or disregard.

2. That Meisner made no serious effort to check the accuracy of The Province story despite his concerns before December 15th as to the reliability of that newspaper as a source of information.

3. The defendants, following the editorial of December 15th, made no meaningful or adequate apology or retraction and that which was attempted was couched in criticism of Ramsey's actions following the editorial and an expression of regret for their predicament in relying upon the newspaper. I also consider the inappropriateness of the defence's suggestion of fault on Ramsey's part because he "failed to set the record straight".

4 The particular situation in which Ramsey was at the time embroiled: his constituents having him recalled and how that affected his position in the community as a long-time resident and college instructor.

5. That the defendant's audience, according to broadcast statistics might have some 4,100 listeners in a broadcast area of some 80,000 residents, 22,000 of which were Ramsey's constituents.

6. The posting of the editorial of December 15th to the CKPG website from 10:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. of that day during which there were 21 "hits" to the site.

7. The effect of the editorial upon Ramsey. While I do not accept that most of Ramsey's emotional tenderness arose because of this broadcast particularly in light of the highly charged recall campaign that unquestionably affected Ramsey and members of his family, the editorial nevertheless heightened those emotions, at least for a short period of time until other recall events overtook the editorial.

8. The effect of the editorial referring to a "quote" rather than just a statement and the fact that, as testified to by Mr. Meisner, "something taken as a quote is taken more seriously than other things".

9. The fact that Meisner had a reputation as a political commentator and his stature.

10. That this comment did not result in Ramsey's recall and that now, some two years later, the focus of the public has moved on to other issues.

[141] In my view, the appropriate award of damages is in the amount of $30,000.00 and I so order.

[142] Counsel for Ramsey seeks a further order requiring the defendant CKPG to remove the Meisner editorial of December 16th from its website.

[143] That matter is now, as I observe, over two years old. As with yesterday's newspaper which were once used to wrap fish and chips rather than be read for yesterday's news I doubt that this editorial has any importance to anyone but its author. I decline to make any order for its deletion.

[144] Ramsey is entitled to costs on Scale 3 unless there be reason to order otherwise.

"J.D. Taylor, J."
The Honourable Mr. Justice J.D. Taylor